Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from holmes.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 11 Mar 89 03:16:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 11 Mar 89 03:16:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #286 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 286 Today's Topics: Re: NASA Prediction Bulletins Space News 1989 Mar 7 Re: 1992 moon base - Teleoperation Re: Mondale and (or vs.) space (was Re: Nerva) Re: First concert from space--update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Mar 89 15:09:52 GMT From: cfa!cfa250!mcdowell@husc6.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Re: NASA Prediction Bulletins In response to the person who wanted to know about the satellites listed in Dr. Kelso's bulletins: - Alouette 1 First Canadian satellite, an ionospheric beacon launched in 1962. - LAGEOS NASA Laser Geodynamic Satellite; passive reflector for geodetic studies - GOES 2 - GOES 3 - GOES 4 - GOES 5 - GOES 6 - GOES 7 NOAA Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite; take weather pictures over the US. GOES 2-6 still relay data but imagers broken. Please note spelling; many people confuse with GEOS. - GPS-0001 - GPS-0002 - GPS-0003 - GPS-0004 - GPS-0006 - GPS-0008 - GPS-0009 - GPS-0010 - GPS-0011 Space Command's Navstar Global Positioning System. These Block 1 Navstars formed part of an initial test constellation. - SeaSat 1 NASA oceanographic satellite; failed after 6 months due to short circuit. US Navy Geosat now repeating the mission. - NOAA 6 - NOAA 9 - NOAA 10 - NOAA 11 NOAA Tiros N weather satellite, sun synchronous polar orbiter for closeup satellite weather photos. - Solar Max NASA solar observatory, repaired 1984, sadly to be abandoned. - UOSAT 1 - UOSAT 2 University of Surrey satellite, amateur educational satellite developed by Martin Sweeting and colleagues at Guildford, England; launched piggyback. - OSCAR 10 AMSAT-DL amateur radio comsat - FO-12 'Fuji', Japan Amateur Satellite - AO-13 AMSAT amateur radio comsat - RS-10/11 Soviet Kosmos navigation satellite with amateur radio transponders - Meteor 2-08 - Meteor 2-09 - Meteor 2-10 - Meteor 2-11 - Meteor 2-12 - Meteor 2-13 - Meteor 2-14 - Meteor 2-15 - Meteor 2-16 - Meteor 2-17 Soviet Hydrometeorological Service weather satellite - Meteor 3-1 - Meteor 3-2 Soviet Hydrometeorological Service weather satellite, new version under R&D - Salyut 7 - Cosmos 1686 - Mir - Kvant - Soyuz TM-7 Soviet space stations - IRAS NASA/Netherlands/UK infrared astronomy survey satellite, died 1983 when helium ran out after mission completed. - LandSat 5 EOSAT remote sensing satellite, due to have been turned off Mar 89 due to lack of Congressional support. - LDEF NASA Long Duration Exposure Facility, to be belatedly retrieved by Shuttle in 1990. - Cosmos 1602 - Cosmos 1766 Soviet Okean oceanographic satellite with radar imaging - SPOT 1 French remote sensing satellite (Satellite Probatoire pour l'Observation de la Terre) - EGP 'Ajisai', NASDA (Japan) passive geodetic satellite, like Lageos - Cosmos 1870 Soviet large oceanographic platform; possibly Salyut based. - 1989 001A - 1989 001B Kosmos-1987, Kosmos-1988 navigation satellites - 1989 001C Kosmos-1989 'Etalon' passive geodetic target, like Lageos - 1989 004A Soviet Gorizont comsat - 1989 005A Soviet ? KGB ? low orbit comm relay - 1989 005B RN Kosmos final stage - 1989 006A INTELSAT VA F15 geostationary comsat for international comms - 1989 006B Ariane V28 third stage - 1989 007A Kosmos advanced recon satellite - 1989 004F - 1988 095F RN Proton Blok-DM final stages in near-synchronous orbit - 1989 008A Progress-40, now deorbited - 1989 009A - 1989 009B - 1989 009C - 1989 009D - 1989 009E - 1989 009F Kosmos-1994 thru 1999, Soviet ?Navy? small geodetic or comms payloads - 1989 009G RN Tsiklon final stage - 1989 010A Kosmos-2000 Priroda mapping satellite - 1989 011A Kosmos-2001 early warning satellite - 1989 011B RN Molniya Blok-I stage - 1989 011C RN Molniya final stage adaptor - 1989 011D RN Molniya Blok-L stage - 1989 012A Kosmos-2002 small military satellite - 1989 012B RN Kosmos final stage - GPS-0012 Block II Navstar GPS; (NOTE TO TS KELSO: Are you sure this is GPS-12? I thought it was GPS-13, with GPS-12 held as a ground spare). - 1989 013C Pam-D stage - 1989 014A Soviet Molniya-1 comsat - 1989 014B RN Molniya Blok-I stage - 1989 014C RN Molniya final stage adaptor - 1989 014D RN Molniya Blok-L stage - 1989 015A Kosmos-2003 Vostok class recon satellite - 1989 016A Akebono, ISAS (Japan) auroral observatory - 1989 016B Mu 3S-II second stage - 1989 016C Mu 3S-II third stage - 1989 017A Kosmos-2004 Soviet navy navigation satellite - 1989 017B RN Kosmos final stage - 1989 018A Meteor-2 (18) Soviet weather satellite - 1989 018B RN Tsiklon final stage ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 89 15:13:37 GMT From: cfa!cfa250!mcdowell@husc6.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Space News 1989 Mar 7 I've had a general positive response and no complaints, so I will continue to inflict these on you... =========================================================== Jonathan's Space Report Mar 7, 1989 (No. 6) Kennedy Space Center, Fla: ---------------------------- Space Shuttle Mission STS-29 is due to be launched on Mar 13 from Launch Complex 39-B, Kennedy Space Center, using Orbiter 103 (Discovery). The main payload is a Contel,Inc. Tracking and Data Relay Satellite which carries an IUS upper stage to deliver it to geostationary orbit. The TDRS satellite will replace TDRS-1, launched in 1983, as the operational TDRS EAST satellite. The crew of Discovery are Capt. Michael Coats, Col. John Blaha, Col. James Buchli, Dr. James Bagian, and Col. Robert Springer. (Source: NASA) Mir Space Station, Low Earth Orbit: ------------------------------------- The Progress-40 robot cargo freighter undocked from the Mir space station on Mar 5. According to Soviet reports, after it undocked it deployed a special structure designed for holding equipment and experiments. Progress-40 was due to be de-orbited over the Pacific Ocean and destroyed; the launch of Progress-41 is expected in the next few days. (Source: Radio Moscow via Glenn Chapman) Geostationary Transfer Orbit --------------------------------- Ariane flight V29 was launched on Mar 6 from the Centre Spatial Guyanais in South America. The Ariane 44LP vehicle placed two satellites into elliptical transfer orbit: EUMETSAT's MOP 1 (Meteosat Operational Programme) weather satellite and Japan Satellite Communications Co's JCSAT 1 comsat. The satellites will enter geostationary orbit in the next few days. (Source: Arianespace, Inc; CNN) Other events: (Source: NASA Two Line Orbital Elements and SPACEWARN) Kosmos-2004 was launched on Feb 22 by Kosmos rocket from Plesetsk. It is a Soviet Navy navigation satellite, part of a system of six satellites closely analogous to the US Navy Transit NNS system. The 18th GMS (Soviet Hydrometeorological Service) Meteor-2 weather satellite was launched from Plesetsk on a Tsiklon rocket on Feb 28. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (c) 1989 Jonathan McDowell, all rights reserved --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 89 14:14:20 GMT From: rochester!dietz@bbn.com (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: 1992 moon base - Teleoperation In article <9258@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> willitd@urania.cs.orst.edu writes: > At the last Lunar Base & Space Activities symposium in Houston (April > 88), there was some discussion about teleoperation. One gentlemen (I > don't remember his name) described an experiment in which a TV camera > and remote driving set-up was installed on a Go-Kart. A five second > time delay was then created between the camera's transmission and the > video display where the driver was seated. The driver then had to > negotiate an obstacle course of moderate difficulty. > And in every case, nobody was able to successfully negotiate the course. I don't think this proves anything, except that a 5-second delay means you cannot operate a Go-Kart at normal speed. Need I remind you that teleoperation of a lunar rover was accomplished years ago by the Soviets? Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 89 00:56:00 GMT From: adelie!mirror!frog!john@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Woods) Subject: Re: Mondale and (or vs.) space (was Re: Nerva) In article <3280@silver.bacs.indiana.edu>, chiaravi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Lucius Chiaraviglio) writes: > In article <604525968.amon@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU> Dale.Amon@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU writes: > >The Congressional names to damn for all eternity are William Proxmire > >and Walter Mondale. [. . .] > I know why you list William Proxmire in this, but what did Walter > Mondale do against space, and when? Many ask, "What DIDN'T Walter Mondale do against space?" Though I don't have much in the way of concrete figures handy, I understand that he led the fight to end Apollo -- from the beginning of the Apollo program. He certainly led the fight against funding the shuttle, resulting in the engineering compromises that we all now know all too well. I can't find his actual voting record in the SPACEPAC publication I have handy, but over the last 25 years, Mondale sponsored the following amendments: HR 16516, amendment to delete $110 million from space shuttle and space station design. Rejected 29-56, 6 May 1970. HR 7109, amendment to FY 1972 NASA Authorization bill, deleting $138 million from the shuttle and $118 million for facilities construction. Rejected 22-64, 29 June 1971. HR 14070, amendment to the FY 1973 NASA Authorization bill to delete ALL, that's right, ALL funding ($228 million) for the space shuttle. Rejected 21-61, 11 May 1972. The SPACEPAC publication only lists votes on "bills which were contested and forced members to take a stand one ways or another on an issue." In essence, when back-door political machinations broke down and they actually had to publicly admit to what they were doing... [By the way, my .signature does not refer to Mondale. In fact, it is a purely hypothetical statement on Will's part. Yet somehow, it seems so fitting... ] -- John Woods, Charles River Data Systems, Framingham MA, (508) 626-1101 ...!decvax!frog!john, john@frog.UUCP, ...!mit-eddie!jfw, jfw@eddie.mit.edu "He should be put in stocks in Lafeyette Square across from the White House and pelted with dead cats." - George F. Will ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 89 19:59:52 GMT From: ssc-vax!bcsaic!rwojcik@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Rick Wojcik) Subject: Re: First concert from space--update In article <1989Feb24.175109.11738@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >They aren't any more; all future foreign cosmonauts will be paying >passengers. It would surprise me greatly if Orbit Productions got a free >ride. Almost certainly they will be asked to pay the commercial price >for their trip. My reading aof Orbit Productions was that they would pay any "reasonable" fee. They didn't say what they considered reasonable. Given the limited number of flights into space, I don't know what price I would fix on it. When you send singers up, you lose priceless opportunities for scientists to acquire more knowledge about that environment. I don't feel that the price of their ticket should be limited to training fees, rocket fuel, insurance, etc. They should also have to pay something for the scientific research that they would displace. >What, pray tell, is wrong with carrying people into orbit for a fee? >The airlines carry senators, teachers, and singers into the sky all the >time. "Things that make profits don't have to make excuses." The Senator from Utah got to travel into space at taxpayer expense. He didn't defray his own costs. He was in a position where he could use his public trust to inflate his ego--the first sitting public official to take a space flight. The space program is not, and never was, a profit-making enterprise. We all wish that it could be, but it is still a research program. The viable commercial uses of space do not include public transportation and media extravaganzas at this time. If Orbit Enterprises could actually bring in enough funds to *increase* scientific research, then I would be in favor of it. As it stands, I doubt that they could defray all of their expenses. That means that the public has to foot part of the bill, and people with more compelling reasons for taking the flight get bumped off of it. >You should not need permission from government bureaucrats to go into >space for purposes *you* consider worthwhile, assuming that you can pay >the fare and that there's a vacant seat. It's truly mind-blowing that >to book a spaceliner seat in the "Free" World you need a very good reason, >years of patience, and approval from 57 layers of bureaucrats, while to >book one behind the Iron Curtain you just need the fare in hard currency. Indeed it is, since neither the US nor the USSR is set up to sell commercial flights into space. The Soviet taxpayer has very little to say about how the Communist Party decides to promote its cause. (I doubt that they send anyone up for hard currency alone.) And you certainly *should* need permission from government officials to use public resources to promote your own private agenda. The space shuttle fleet is far from being a commercial airline. If you want to take a shuttle into space, then build your own. -- Rick Wojcik csnet: rwojcik@atc.boeing.com uucp: uw-beaver!ssc-vax!bcsaic!rwojcik ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #286 *******************